Eric Satz, founder of Alto, an investment platform that allows individuals to invest their retirement accounts in alternative assets discusses his journey of building Alto from scratch and the challenges he faced along the way. He also talks about the fun and not-so-fun aspects of starting a business. Satz emphasizes the importance of building a strong team and having the support of family and loved ones when embarking on an entrepreneurial venture. Finally, Satz shares his thoughts on the financial industry, the value of alternative assets, and the role of luck in business success.

Tom talks with Chris Boyd, head of product for Built Technologies, start-up advisor, mentor, and one of the wisest people we know working in product management. Built Technologies recently announced a series C round worth $88M.

Tom and Chris talk about Chris's transition from project manager to product manager and play a game of "spontaneous product development" to create a product to disrupt the U.S. education market.